Forums, Blogs and Bulletin Board Postings – Panamalaw.org and Panama Legal have over 250,000 entries in google that offer positive search results. Under eight of these offer negative thoughts or comments using word scam. These posting are consistently associated with competitors of Panama Legal and are not considered valid sources of information.
Anonymous Posters – Forum and board posters are anonymous or can impersonate anyone they like. One goes to the forum or posting board and signs up providing a free email account. Then they are a member of the forum or board and can post freely about anyone or any company negatively or positively. Try it yourself if you like. Sign up to any forum and state so and so company ripped me off, best to use a fictitious name. The post will stay up. Then create a few other email addresses and sign in using different user names going to the same thread and saying you too were ripped off by this company. Now you have a big history showing this company to be a scam. These posts too will also stand. Then link the posts to other posts on other forums you also did with different user names and this too will stand up and remain on the forum. You can even create a user name to be the same as the “victim” business” and post negatively making it look like the business itself did this. These practices are called “Forum Blackmail”.
Competitor Negative Posting – There is a competitor posting negatively about Panamalaw.org and Panama Legal.
They use a forum of their own to slander the good name of Panama Legal who has been an active and dominant force in the offshore legal industry since 2006. They are openly and actively accessible for many years by phone, Skype, chat, email and in person. We will using hard facts and evidence every step of the way show you that these folks are anything but what they say they are. The illicit forum is here:
http://www.cclogic.com/forum/f5/panamalaw-org-aka-panama-legal-scam-warning-learn-scam-9270/
Their main page is: http://www.cclogic.com
It can be easily seen they are a competitor and the slander not to be taken seriously.
They also go after other competitors, see this from a google search:
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Plimus are a SCAM and fraud customers!
10 posts-8 authors-Last post:31 Dec 2009
This guy got big problems with his contact with Plimus, be warned everyone! After reading glowing reviews of Plimus I decided to go with …
www.cclogic.com › … › E-Wallets › Other e-wallets or e-currencies – Cached – Similar
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Plimus is one of the most respected credit card processors and these bums out of nowhere slander them too.
The www.cclogic.com site forum shows people who enrolled on the forum in Jan 2009. Problem with that is the site is a domain that dealt with technical computer and internet issues back in the 1990’s. The site was not functional until Nov. 2009 which is about when they bought it.
This can be verified by going to the wayback machine at http://www.archive.org. This site scans sample pages of websites and archives them. Here is the link for the search we just did in archive.org:
http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://cclogic.com
You will see nothing in 2009, 2008 and for many preceding years except for a parking page.
The sad thing about this is that they hold themselves out as being in business for many years as evidenced by these google search results:
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Offshore Company | Cyprus Company | Cyprus Bank Account
follow cclogic on twitter Due to our experience and all the years in the payment processing industry we noticed that the demand for privacy and assets …
www.cclogic.com/about-us/CCLOGIC.COM.html – Cached
CCLOGIC Discussion Forum covering the World – Free-Press-Release.com
One of the things that it has mastered in the course of more than ten years it has been operational is. Related News; CCLOGIC Discussion Forum covering the …
www.free-press-release.com/news-cclogic-discussion-forum-covering-the-world-1254137673.html – Cached
cclogic.com – Company Information
CCLOGIC LLC has specialized in the Offshore Company Formation and Offshore Banking for clients Worldwide. With our many years of experience and a large …
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Wait it gets better:
There is a warning from the British Virgin Islands Government to not do business with these people
CC Logic LLC – Advisory Warning No. 15 of 2009
The FSC wishes to inform the public that CC Logic LLC is not licensed to carry on registered agent services business in or from within the British Virgin Islands, and it is not incorporated or registered in the British Virgin Islands. Members of the public are therefore advised to exercise extreme caution in conducting any transactions with CC Logic LLC.
The link for the government warning is found below:
http://www.bvifsc.vg/Default.aspx?tabid=213
Wow even governments are issuing warnings about them in just a few months of operation. In open defiance of the BVI government warning they say they are an authorized introducer to banks in the BVI: Here is a quote taken from a google search:
Offshore Services : CCLOGIC Ltd is an authorized introducer for the major banks in Cyprus, Belize, Seychelles and British Virgin Island which means you can …
www.cclogic.com/about-us/CCLOGIC.COM.html – Cached
You got to admit they have some nerve.
WWW.CCLOGIC.Com scammers are hiding in plain site. Try to find out where they are? Good luck.
Here is an address they list on their website:
77 Strovolou Avenue, Strovolos Center, Off. 204, 2018 Strovolos, Nicosia, Cyprus
Curiously it is the same address as a very unusual company, again taken from google:
Buy California Super Lotto Plus Online
Credit card transactions are processed by Ledonford Ltd. 77 strovolou Avenue Strovolou Centre, 204 floor, 2018 Strovolos, Nicosia, Cyprus.
www.buycalifornialottoonline.com/howItWorks.php – Cached – Similar
Apparently they are using the address of the credit card processing company they resell.
Let’s look at their Seychelles Address:
Suites 204 & 205 Victoria House
P.O.Box 1356, Victoria, Mahe SEYCHELLES.
This is the same address used by this Government registered corporate agent in the Seychelles:
Professional Offshore Limited, Contact: Mr. Patrick Flynn, LLB, Tel : (+248) 610 960
To see the official listing of Seychelles agents go here where his name appears:
http://www.seychellesincorporation.com/seychellesoffshorecompanyincorporationagents.htm
It appears they are using the address of their corporate agent who incorporated them and who has no website (very convenient) as their address. It is the registered address of their corporation. These people are hiding under a rock somewhere.
The www.cclogic.com scam, fraud people are responsible for the negative posting regarding Panama Legal and Panamalaw.org on the internet.
For more on cclogic.com and Bethann Schuldiner click here.
http://www.scam.com/showthread.php?p=927890
http://www.scam.com/showthread.php?p=928169
http://www.scamradar.com/reports/2128/cclogic-com-bethann-schuldiner-mortgage-fraud-scam.html
http://www.scamradar.com/reports/2136/offshoreprivacy-or-cclogic-bethann-schuldiner-scam-alliance.html
Forum Owners Operators – They love this sort of negative posting. They sit and wait for the victim to write them a letter and ask them to remove the post saying it is defamatory, slanderous or whatever. The forum operator ignores the request. When threatened they say they are immune from lawsuits since they did not participate in the thread and operate an impartial forum. What they want the victim to do is offer to pay them a few thousand dollars to remove the threads. Another way it is done is the victim business offers to buy “advertising” from them to remove the thread which is really the same thing but covers the forum operator more if there is a lawsuit or criminal extortion case filed. Now you know how these forums make money. There is a big class action lawsuit filed now concerning a firm whose website is www.yelp.com who is being accused of these very same practices. Their stated purpose was for consumers to do independent reviews of business geographically. This lawsuit seems to be the biggest of its kind and Fox carried the story here: Reviews Site Yelp Hit With Fraud Lawsuit
Might be worth a read to see how the scam works on a big scale.
Forum Blackmail – This is a popular internet scam. One contacts an established company and says give me $10,000 or I will post negatively about you on many forums and boards. They can say you ripped them off, sold defective goods etc. They can even set up an email address to collect complaints about a business if anyone is stupid enough to contact the blackmailers and risk being blackmailed themselves. Most experienced internet business ignore such people and postings. Rarely do they follow through but sometimes they do. If one did pay them in a month or so the same blackmailer would return with a new internet identity starting the blackmail all over again.
Shill Postings – This is a scenario where one promotes a product by having people go into numerous forums and tout a product saying it is a great product. They also do this by posting negatively about competitors products.
How to Evaluate a Business – Forget using forums, boards or blogs as these are too often corrupted to be valid sources of information. Look to see how many years the business has been around. Check the domain registration to see this. This can be done by going to http://www.networksolutions.com/whois/index.jsp
Check to see if there were any recent changes in domain names. Sometime scammers will buy an old domain to make it look like they have been around longer. The registration changes will give some indication of this. Go to www.archive.org and enter in the website to see what it looked like in years previously to guard against someone who bought an “aged” domain to make it look like they were around for longer than is the case. A business really around for more than one year is rarely a scam operation and a business around for longer is almost never going to be a scam.
See if the business answers the phone, email, chats. If a business answers the phone, chats and email it is not going to be a scam. See if the website has regular updates, www.archive.org will help with this. Scam operators rarely ever put any real time into a site with updates and new material. A scammer gets the site up runs the scam and then goes onto the next website and scam. In practically every instance a scam site starts out as a scam and never lasts more than a few months at best.